• 自己置換について by ishan@質問
      2001年10月03日(Wed) 01時13分52秒  返信する
    どうも混乱してきたので質問いたします。

    「フラッシュバックは自己置換ではない」というJeffJordan氏のコメントを見ました。
    では、バイバックは自己置換でしょうか、それともただの置換なのでしょうか?
    <以下引用>
    Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:12:33 -0400
    From: Jeff Jordan <jeffjo@EROLS.COM>
    Subject: Flashback vs Memory Lapse Explained

    Several people expressed doubts about this interaction. Let me assure
    you that it works just fine, as stated in the FAQ. The following
    explanation is going to cover two contingencies, then explain that one
    of those isn't even possible (even though it still would work as the
    FAQ says if it were possible), and finally what would have to happen
    for it to not work. So don't get confused by all those hypotheticals.

    The simple answer is that Memory Lapse replaces "go to grave" with "go
    to library," while Flashback replaces "go anywhere from the stack"
    with "remove from play." So it doesn't matter which is applied first;
    Flashback will win.

    Case 1: Flashback is applied first. The event is now "remove card from
    the game." Since Memory Lapse is looking for the event "go to grave,"
    not "remove from game," it no longer applies to this event. Result:
    Only Flashback is applied, and the card is removed from the game.

    Case 2: Memory Lapse is applied first. The event is now "put card in
    library." But Flashback still applies to this event, since it is going
    to the library from the stack. Result: Both are applied, in the order
    Memory Lapse then Flashback, and the card is removed from the game.

    But, case 1 can't happen anyway. Memory Lapse is a self-replacement.
    You don't have the choice of which to apply first. Flashback is not
    a self-replacement - it is not *creating* the event it is replacing.
    This isn't an important point, because Flashback "wins" anyway/

    For it to fail, there would have to be another replacement that watches
    for the card to "go anywhere from the stack" and replace it. There are
    none of these (not even Buyback, which only applies to a resolving
    spell, and only to a "put in grave" event),

    Jeff.


    • Re: 自己置換について by *ぱお*/米村_薫@回答
        2001年10月03日(Wed) 03時26分50秒  返信する
      <回答>
       バイバックも、自己置換効果ではありません。

      <根拠>
       自己置換効果とは、その呪文や能力の結果として生じるイベントそのものを置換するものだけを指します。
       なお、《記憶の欠落》が自己置換効果なのは、「打ち消す」という行為が、呪文をスタックから墓地に動かす、ということを意味する(CR 414.1)からであり、バイバックやフラッシュバックがそうでないのは、呪文をスタックから墓地に動かすのは解決の一部として、ルールが行なう(CR413.2h)からです。
      #この辺、ルール的にわかりにくいですけどね。

      • Re: 自己置換について by ishan
          2001年10月03日(Wed) 03時35分59秒  返信する
        了解です。理解しました。
        ありがとうございました。